patti ann: "america live" starts right now. >> we start with this fox news alert. there is fresh evidence now that is growing -- that a growing number of americans believe that our country's future looks pretty bleerks folks. there's a new poll out that shows economic worries and political deadlock over this debt crisis are fueling an overall atmosphere in this country of uncertainty, welcome to "america live", i'm martha maccallum in for megyn kelly, according to this poll, 63 percent of americans feel the country is on the wrong track, up from 60 percent in june, just last month. now, the same survey also finds 36 percent of americans think the government should not pay international creditors if washington fails to raise that debt ceiling, all this as we await high level talks about to get underway at the white house where president obama and congressional leaders where literally brought america's financial security to the brink, that

comes in their own words, bret baier, anchor of "special report" joins us now, good afternoon, bret. what are we looking for this afternoon at 4:00? >> martha, i think the key question is whether they can move, pasoo move past thinking about this big deal, move towards the possibility of a 2 1/2 trillion dollars deal, and whether they can come to some conclusion that that's not going to work, it's not going to get past the house, if it has any tax increases. that's the bottom line. we've heard it from speaker boehner on my show yesterday. it's just a matter of head counting. and now you have senator mcconnell's plan out there that he describes as a last ditch effort, but it's already getting praised by democrats like senator reid and house speaker nancy pelosi, so the going bet now inside washington is that they'll continue to talk to try to get to some bigger deal, but that the escape valve is there and it may be in the form of senator

mcconnell's potential. martha: that raises a lot of questions about how a deal that looks like that would do in the house. and we heard president obama last night in an interview basically saying if they don't come to a deal, social security checks are in jeopardy, as westerly as august 3rd. here's a piece of sound, bret, from michelle bachmann on this social security issue. let's listen to that. >> we were all shocked and appalled that president obama dangled out in front of the cameras that senior citizens may not get chair check --o their checks. that's a very dangerous statement to make. we don't believe -- excuse me. excuse me. we don't believe that for a moment. as we said, there are sufficient funds in the social security trust fund right now to make sure they get checks. martha: what does the white house say about this social security issue and whether or not it was wise to put it that way or whether it's done intentionally to get a deal? >> martha, they're leaving the president's comments alone, letting them stand, saying that there are still

questions about at what point all those checks are affected, and in fact, the treasury department will likely send out letters as we get closer to this to beneficiaries and that is the point, that politically senator mcconnell may have come to the conclusion that when that happens it will be a change in the entire environment, as far as the pressure goes. senator john mccain said yesterday, every time that prospect even comes up, his phone lines light up and no one can get through. i think this is where this is heading. you heard the speaker last night saying that this was a veiled threat, it was really a not so veiled threat, and you hear congresswoman bachmann say that today. others are saying it as well. interesting thing about this poll that you mentioned at the top, is the wrong track has gone up to 63 percent, from 60 percent. but the president's approval rating has hovered roughly the same, at 49 percent, this just down 1 percent from june. obviously, if the economy

continues to go south, that will be affected far more greatly. martha: indeerksd and in that same poll he lost ground with independent voters, which is a concern in terms of reelection as well. but thank you so much, we'll look for more on this on "special report" and flout the afternoon as we all watch that 4:00 meeting at the white house. so president obama is now referencing the great communicator in his showdown over the debt crisis. watch this: >> the question is if ronald reagan could compromise, why wouldn't folks who i'd olize -- idolize ronald reagan do the same. martha: is he criticizing congressional republicanning for the stalemate? we'll show you the event that brought this crisis to the brink in terms of who rushed this moment and allowed it to happen. very interesting debate and what you need to know in all of this, that's ten minutes from now on "america live"

and by the way there's up to the minute information on debt talks, 24/7 on our site and it changes by the moment, with every statement put out on either side there is sort of a moment that is stepped forward on each side. that's on foxnews.com. take fox with you as you head out for the summer as well, folks, go to foxnews.com/mobile and found out how to patch your smartphone or ipad directly into the most powerful name in news so you will not be wasteing your time this summer. >> this is a big story out of mumbai, india, the death toll has risen to 21 in a string of explosions that rocked this country's financial capitol, the blast occurred in the middle of a busy evening rush hour, it was coordinated by terrorists, the explosion went off at a busy jewelry market, a business district and crowded residential neighborhood, mumbai, of course, the site of the 2008

attack where a team of gunmen went on a 60 hour rampage across the city as we all remember too well. we're going to get developments on that and who may be taking responsibility for the latest attacks in mumbai. >> and there are also new concerns to tell you about over airport security here in the united states. a brand new congressional investigation has found some 25,000 breaches at american airlines since november of 2001, a figure that breaks down to about seven breaches of security per day, and that is despite the billions that we have poured in to step up our security in our airports and you got to ask yourselves what's og on there. doug mckelway has that story from washington >> reporter: this congressional committee found that despite the billions of dollars spent on airport security since 9/11 the nation's airport and airplanes remainstreamly vulnerable to terrorist atag and rather than being an agency that can look at new threats, some criticize the

tsa for the snail's pace of even assessing security threats. >> i am not critical of this nays, i am critical of its measures, in my judgment the effectiveness of the tsa is affected by the rigid attitude of arrogance and bureaucracy. >> at one point, john mica held up a photo of the tallahassee's nonexistent perimeter fence and he said i don't know of any device that can penetrate this. here's mica. >> we've created an agency that has actually run pell nell away from security and turned into a huge unthinking nonrisk-based bureaucracy. >> reporter: according to the tsa's own figures since november 2001, there have been 6000 improperly screened passengers or carry-on items, 2600 or more

gained access to sterile areas, and 1300 or more gained access to aircraft operations areas. in a statement tsa responded these numbers represent a tiny fraction of 1 percent of more than 5.5 billion travelers, at more than 450 airports nationwide that we have screened effectively since 9/11. we take every security incident seriously and take appropriate actions accordingly, which is why tsa keeps close track of all breaches. but it's a very, very tough job, martha. all it takes is one bad mistake for them to pay a terrible, terrible price. martha: very worth taking a closer look at that situation given those numbers. doug, thank you very much, doug mckelway in d.c. >> this is a heartbreaking story, we have been following this since it became known to us earlier in the week, it is the developing story of a murder of a little boy missing in new york city, eight-year-old libe clatsey,

found murdered. hundreds of volunteers spent hours searching for him in this tight knit jewish community in brooklyn. he was last seen on this surveillance video. it was his first time walking home from summer camp by himself. this is every parent's worst nightmare and there goes that little boy, in the last pictures seen of him. now police say there is a man under arrest in this case. trace gallagher joins me live with more this afternoon. hey trace. >> reporter: martha, an awful ending here. it turns out that the eight-year-old libe palenski made a deal with his parents, he was going to walk the six blocks home alone, he was going to meet up with his parents and they'd walk the last three blocks home together but apparently this surveillance video those libe walking in the wrong direction, he's three blocks away from where he should have been, and now we've just heard that new york police commissioner ray kelly has just said it turns

out that libe may have gotten lost and asked a man for directions, because that surveillance video also shows him getting into the car of an unidentified man. that man apparently had just paid a bill at a local dentist office, which is how the police finally were able to track him down, and also led them to finding the dismembered body of the eight-year-old boy. they found the body in two separate locations, in the suspect's brooklyn apartment, as well as in a nearby trash bin, wrapped up in a plastic bag, inside a suitcase. here's reaction from a brooklyn assemblyman. listen: >> it's scary, what happens here, a nine-year-old, in a safe community, and disappears and brutally murdered. it's just beyond comprehension. just -- i don't know what to say. >> police, by the way, have

identified the suspect as 35-year-old levi aaron. no criminal history, but police say he has made statements incriminating himself, implicating himself, the boy's parents and three sisters remain holed up in their house, they've not made a statement, but now the pieces of the puzzle as you watch that surveillance video being put together, he was walking in the wrong direction from where he was supposed to meet his parents and now ray kelly says it appears he was lost and he asked someone for directions and that person he asked may be the suspect in this case. martha: unbelievable. it is the most awful story, and it is, as i said, it sounds cliche but it's true, it's every single parent's nightmare when you give your child a little more independence and let them walk a couple of blocks on their own, it seems like a very safe thing to do, and it turns out tragic. trace, thank you very much. awful, awful story. so folks, coming up here, republican presidential contender michelle bachmann is taking

sharp criticism today from a colleague in the house. >> these same people who want to shrink government also want mom to get back in the kitchen and take her shoes off and guess pregnant. martha: really? interesting comment, right? so do critical comments like that reveal a glaring double standard on the campaign trail? three minutes from now, monica crowley takes this on, folks, and i warn you, she is ready for this one. we're going to talk about the women of the 2012 race. and look at this, a passenger plane with almost two dozen on board, on fire. the only place to land is in the water. we have the dramatic ending. also, how did the jury first react to whether or not casey anthony was guilty of murder? the jury foreman on where the jury stood on that first vote as they went into that room. unbelievable. you got to hear it here, coming up. >> when was the first vote? >> well, i wanted to note --

i wanted to take a prevote. i wanted to see where we stand, where people stood. so we voted right away. >> i mean, did you raise your hand? >> you raise your hand. >> what was the split, the first vote?

martha: well, listen to this, a minnesota congressman unloading on a fellow minnesotan and gop presidential candidate, congresswoman michelle bachmann, democrat keith ellison telling a gathering of college activists some of the biggest enemyies to civil liberties and women's rights are women, including, he said, women like michelle bachmann. listen for yourself: >> i recently hosted a forum in my district called women's rights in the era of extremism and this is an era of extremism, these same people who want to strip government so you can drown it in a bathtub's want

moments to get back in the kitchen and take her shoes off and get pregnant. you understand? they are offended by strong, powerful women, and here's the sad part, some of them are women themselves. michelle bachmann, being an example. martha: need we say more? fox news contributor monica crowley joins me on this. there are so many places to go with this, i barely know where to begin. he's basically saying that some conservatives are offended by strong, powerful women and then he says michelle bachmann is -- as possibly somebody who wants women bare foot and in the kitchen. this is a woman who's raised five children, she has a degree as a tax attorney, she runs a business, runs a charter school. if she's not a strong, powerful business woman, i don't know who is. >> she is an accomplished business woman as is sarah palin, the first female governor of her state, i have no idea where he is coming from except to say that congressman ellison is

a far left guy and when the far left takes a look at the achievements, the success and the momentum behind successful conservative women like governor palin, like michelle bachmann, what they see is an existential threat to liberalism, martha. by that i mean you have the strong accomplished women who espouse conserve av principles and actually live their lives according to those principles so they're not just talking the talkingo talking the talk about being prolife, progun, fiscally responsible, they carry out their lives out like that and seek to make american policy based on those principles. >> martha: this is a group that for a time felt that the democratic party spoke to them more, wanted them to have equal rights but now they see they're losing a large faction and that is threatening is it not? >> exactly. that's what i mean about an existential threat. without that jernd gap, although it has been closing over the last few years, but without that significant gender gap where women vote

democrat in huge proportions over men, without it they know they can't win, that's why they have to come out against michelle bachmann, sarah palin, other strong conservative women and try to destroy them before they can gain any traction. martha: then you have -- 34re9s look at this cover of newsweek which has gotten a ton of attention and it has sent all different kinds of messages, this is sarah palin on the cover with the banner, i can win, she's wearing a hoodie sweatshirt, you can see it for yourself. it's interesting, the christian science monitor says this shows her as unpresidental and that she doesn't want to run. they're saying this kind of photo means she's not in the running, and my mind goes back, because you always have to think about the double standard, i think of john kerry on the wind surfer and president bush on his mountain bike and his workout clothes, it's a mixed message. >> it is bizarre and a double standard the way they look at women's fashion choices to try to read the tea leaves about whether or not they're going to run for president. she looks great in that picture! she's wearing alaskan chic,

right, a nice hoodie, which mark zuckerberg, founder of facebook, wears every day and is a huge success. martha: good point. >> she's not dressed like a surfer for crying outlude. she looks great. they will go after anything and everything to take down conservative women, especially women running for a high office like the presidency of the united states in order to try to undermine them, destroy their credibility before they can gain this kind of traction with women voters. martha: that is fascinating. we could talk about it all afternoon. thank you monica for being here, always good to see you, monica crowley, everybody. we have a fox news exclusive this hour on how the jury voted the very first time they took a poll in the room of the jurors and they considered those murder charges against casey anthony. we're going to take you into that jury room, that is ten minutes away. you'll hear from the foreman. how did a california prison staffer manage to score a salary of $700,000 a year? the answer, right after this

break. plus, one of the country's top doctors says that if children get too fat, the government should, quote, take them away from their parents. what do you think about this? we've got a fiery debate, because there's a lot of elements that play into this one. that is coming up. we'll be right back.

>> martha: former first lady betty ford is making her final trip home to michigan. ford's children and grandchildren are accompanying the casket from palm desert, colorado back -- california back to grand rapids, united states it arrives there will be a procession, followed bay prayer service. more than 800 people yesterday attended the memorial at saint st. margaret's church where she worshiped 30 years.

george w. bush, there she is walking mrs. reagan into the church, michelle obama and three former first ladies were there to support the former first head's -- lady's family. roslyn carter delivered one of the eulogy, she praised ford for the ability to speak the truth, especially when it came to her own struggles. betty ford will be buried alongside her husband at the ford presidential library, tomorrow on what would have been his 98th birthday. today, there are new questions about public employee pay in a state that is struggling with billions of dollars in red ink. this story involves a doctor in the california state prison, he has not treated anyone for years. he has been assigned to, quote, mail room duty, and he is still managing to earn, get this, more than $700,000 a year? trace gallagher is live with this story for us from l.a.

nice work if you can get it! >> >> reporter: if you can get it. dr. jeffrey rall, 65 years old, a prison doctor, and he's the highest state-paid employee, $777,000, which by the way is four times as much as the governor makes. and the reason he has not treated a patient, martha, in six years is because the state says they do not trust his medical skills. he was fired several years ago because he was incompetent, the state said, but he went to court, he sued, and he won, and the court said he could go back to work, so the state was forced to pay him 3/4 of a million dollars to review medical records, the state says that taxpayers should not be mad at them because they were forced to take the doctor back. the doctor's attorney says the state won't let him practice on patients because they're trying to force him out of his job. this by the way is the same doctor who in 1996 records show had a psychiatric

crisis, he engaged and i'm quoting, bizarre, irrational and de russianle -- delusional communications, he fled the hospital, led police on a high speed chase. turns out california has a habit of hiring bad doctors, 20-50 percent of the state's prison doctors provide poor quality care and because of that poor care, that every six days, a prisoner needlessly dies. so we have lousy doctors, but the pay is awfully good, martha. martha:un believable. that is an unbelievable story and it's emblematic of perhaps the largest budget in -- larger budget problem. now there is evidence mounting about casey anthony 's plans after she leaves jail, even rumors of whether shale change her name, have plastic surgery, details on that. and president obama talking about -- can

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martha: we have new details on what is next for casey anthony. she has four days until she is a free woman. she spent nearly 3 years behind bars. now we are being told she is getting death threats. what will life be like for herb now that she is one of the most recognizable women in this country. hi, phil. >> reporter: despite reports that casey anthony plans to live life like a former mobster in the federal witness protection program, starts using a fake name, according to one member of her defense team contacted by us this morning, he says do not believe a word of it. quote, i don't know where they are getting that from. it is a crock. just b.s. her biggest concern is getting out of jail and safely. we will keep her safe and give her options. ultimately it is her decision on

where she goes. he says casey anthony has an accurate idea as to the depth of the hatred that exists among some people. death threats had been made on her parents and even some of the jurors who safe quitted her. where she goes sunday after she is released from jail is unknown, at least publicly. she denied a visitation request from her mother and accused her father of sexual limo lefting her and calling him a monster. her mother cindy testified on the stand that she did the chlorophyll and chloroform searches on the computer which was proven not to be true by her co-workers. she'll not be charged with that crime. the state's attorney's office has not provided further explanation as for that decision. the orange county sheriff's

department is formulating the plan for her release. they could do that by ushering her out secretly or they could have a publicly seen walk shot as she leaves the jail. it remains to be worked not you orlando. but sunday for the first time in nearly 3 years she'll no longer be in protective custody of the sheriff's department. her safety will depends upon herself. martha: phil keating, our thanks to him in miami today. we are learning more now about what led the jurors in that trial to come to their decision. the jury foreman speaking ex delaysively to gretta van susteren. >> reporter: was there ever any discussion about the fact that she might be executed? you might be called upon to make that decision? martha: we have his answer to that question and plenty of other questions. we have much more of that

interview. you don't want to miss this. it's coming up just few minutes from now. >> * back to this big, big issue of this whole week. there are only 8 days until a self-imposed debt deal deadline. there from questions about why this has become such an 11th-hour crisis. the president put the blame squarely on members of congress. >> the fact of the matter is we should not be leaving an issue of this magnitude that affects the world economy as well as the american economy to the last minute. and yet congress often leaves things to the last minute. and engages in the kind of brinksmanship that i think is dangerous. martha: days ago charles krauthammer wrote a column that looked back over the last two years of dealing with this issue

of our nation's huge debt. the president put this problem to a commission as you may remember more than 18 months ago. then they released their reports in 2010. but the president largely ignored the recommendations puts north that reports. then we had the president's states of the union speech. he did not mention the debt until he was 35 minutes into that state of the union speech in january. in february the president delivered a budget that increased the deficit. and the democratically controlled senate rejected it 93-0. it didn't get a single votes. that is the background on the president's efforts or lack thereof. joining us is chris hahn, a former aide to chuck schumer and chris plants. good to have you both here. there is the back and forth on

this. chris, lets me start with you. the president says -- and we all know, congress has not put forth a budget. in 800 days they haven't produced the thing that's their number one job to accomplish. but president dojts have a strong record of taking this on. >> it's a difficult issue. he pit together this commission. there was a mechanism that if that got a certain amount of votes it would have went to congress for votes. it didn't achieve that with people like paul ryan voting against its. i believe in the deficit commission report. i believe some of those recommendations if not all of them should be taken up by congress and vote on. but that said, it's congress' job to pass a budget. we are at the point where we have the debt ceiling which is usually a ministerial acts which is gone effectively. ronald reagan raised the debt ceiling 17 times when he was

president. all republican leaders have voted again and again to raise the debt ceiling and they made it an issue now and tied to it a budget which i think is dangerous for the country. martha: how on earth did we get here in we are the united states of america. we owe 40 cents on every dollar to creditors. now so many folks outside of the beltway look at the president pointing the finger at congress. congress says the president hasn't been a leader. it looks like the rest of the country goes, the heck with all of you. what don't you get about what needs to happen here? >> i think the american people get what needs to happen here just fine. i think it's people inside the beltway having a problem. chris -- i was glad to see chris concede the obvious that the democrats didn't pass a budget last year. the republicans passed a budget through the house of representatives and the senate controlled by democrats did not

pass it. this is their political strategy going forward. they don't teach math and accounting and harvard law school. this is working for the democrats. this is their political weapon. their campaign going forward. it's their game plan for the 2012 election to demonize the republicans, to bring touts brink, to use their friends as happened last night on cbs news to blame the republicans. >> if i can get in here. here is the thing. you have got to have come pro nice in america to get anything done. that's what we are all about in america. unfortunately for america right now. the republicans are more concerned about pledges they made than the oath they made to the american people who put them there. they are saying my way other highway. martha: you tell me what's right or wrong about this. the republicans are saying president obama has not been specific about -- he says yes

indeed cuts to entitlements are on the table, but he won't say what they are. wouldn't that go a long way for the presidents of the united states if he would detail what cuts he's willing to live with and start there? >> republicans have to show they are willing to accept the compromise. president obama has met them 85% of the way towards where they want. he wants to get back a small amount of revenue in this process that will close loopholes to our tax code and lower corporate tax rates in america. but the republicans are so wedded to these pledges that they are unwilling to budge. that's the problem. martha: the ray show i -- the rs 4-1. >> compromise is what got us to this point in the first place. spending 25% of gdp, borrowing

40 cents on every dollar. the democrats wants more of it. let's bankrupt the place, anybody watching -- martha: we gotta go. we saw the poll from the hill saying a pox on both their houses. the people are not impressed with what anybody is doing. chris hahn, chris plant, good to see you both. thanks so much. all right. the company that has established a near monopoly on movie rentals now managing to upset tens of millions of customers in a simple move. the fallout from the epic netflix rate hike. plus the casey anthony verdict came down. america asked one question. how did the jury reach their decision. now we are getting that answer. the jury foreman. that question nansd this fox news exclusive that is next. >> in terms of the initial round

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martha: caylee anthony is spending herb last few days behind bars. now we are learning more about what happened in that deliberation room that led the jurors to find her not guilty. >> in terms of the discussion and deliberations, obviously it was something that wasn't proven by the state beyond a reasonable do it. was there a discussion of motive? they don't have to prove motive. >> motive was not something we have to photograph, it's not -- we felt that the motive that the state provided was -- in our eyes was kind of weak. that a mother would want to do something like that to her child so she could party.

that's what they presented to us. but aside from that, no, there was no other talk on motive. >> reporter: between june 16 and mid-july, her behavior, out partying. there is a tattoo. what was the discussion and what do you think about that period? >> it disgusted us. we were disgusted with that between june 16 to the time it happened. that's what makes this hard. it made it very hard for us. it's something that, you know, i wish because of that and seeing that -- we wish there was something else we could look that that would be a felony. something where, you know, we don't have the to do this or the ability to put the law into place. something where if you don't report a child missing it will be a felony. for every hour or day it gets

worse and worse because her actions were disgusting. we were asked to indict on cause of death. >> convict you mean. >> convict on cause of death. much of the time we were in that trial -- a lot of it dealt with her actions afterwards. that's something though it is disgusting, it is heinous, we, weren't able to come down with a conviction on the indictments. >> why after the verdict didn't the jury give a press conference? why didn't you? >> it was a very -- the whole process was very stressful for us and very emotional. when it was over and done with, when we came back in the jury room, it was different just was a very difficult process for a lot of people to go through. and there are emotions that people were expressing was just

heart wrenching. >> were there tears? >> yes. >> was there somebodying? >> there was sobbing there will be was tears. >> what time did you go in the room? >> i wanted to take a prevote. i wanted to see where we stood. we voted right away. >> you raise your hand or it's a secret. >> you raise your hand. >> what was the split the first vote in for murder. >> 10-2. 10 saying it was 10 innocent, 2 guilty. >> it many interesting right from the get-go there were 10-2 for not guilty. that gives you some level of indication how certain the jury was. >> it does. when the prosecution rested we thought because we did not go in researching as much we were some of what an open book. when they rested, i just -- i was stunned. i was stunned.

i thought there would be more. i really did. by was waiting for more. a lot of us felt that way. a lot of us felt that way, that there is just not enough evidence to fill in the gray area we needed to have filled in. >> in terms of the 10-2 on the initial round on the murder, what was hang up the 2? what were they focusing on? >> the chloroform and the duct tape. all of the circumstances that -- or all of the evidence that was provided in that regard. could have emotion played into it, i didn't ask. bad behavior. that was something -- that could have had something to do with it but i didn't ask about that because that was not something -- it's not something that we could talk about for the mid-june -- for june 16. so it wassen really discussed.

>> was there discussion during the trial about the fact that she might be executed? that you might be called upon to make that decision? >> no. >> never took that into account? you never looked across the courtroom and thought i have to decide whether she lives or dies? >> during the trial? yes, there were times i would look over and the extent of the outcome what could happen. it hits you. it weighed on you at times. but not something that i would dwell over. martha: that conversation continues tonight "on the record." at 10:00 p.m. eastern time. one of the nation's top doctors is argue that if children become too overweight the government should take them away from their parents. we are going to dig into this story, tell you the whole thing. both sides coming up right after this. you noticed!

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martha: netflix has 23 million members and climbing. many of them sound off about a new pricing plan that will raise the charges as much as of 60% in some cases. dennis neil is sampling the outrage on this. he has more for us. what is northeast fliks doing here? >> you pay $10 a month all you can eat. $8 for the streaming and $2 for dvd service. now you can have $8 for the streaming and $8 for the dvd service. which means $16 a month. here is what the company says about it.

they said given the long life we've think dvds by mail will have, the old pricing plan, neither makes great financial sense or satisfies people who just wants dvds. the new plan doesn't satisfy a whole lot of customers. they are going online. take a look online. on twitter, one guy says dear net application, you can't double the price of a product without providing more value. read box here we come. that's the vending machine company giving them fits. and even on the netflix site. a guy came on there and says, i told hem to stick it. so you have might be wondering why would they do that? they need the money. they are experiencing hundreds of millions on non-exclusive programming that anyone else

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martha: we are waiting for a meeting between president obama and congressional leaders on this debt crisis. we are day four of these debt talks at the white house. as of this moment peel pretty much at a standstill. time is running out. you have got the self-imposed deadline to raise america's debt ceiling is 8 days away and both sides seem to be far apart on this. congressman steve king joins us now from capitol hill. congressman, good to have you here today. what do you expect at this 4:00 meeting today? it would be nice if we could break the impasse. we got a couple weeks ago before we get to that point of the self-imposed deadline of august 2 that tim got it her rolled out. i have long said we have to get to the brinksmanship.

they really start to worry before we are going to get some kind of agreement. it isn't like a business deal when we look at it and it says this is the best thing we'll get. martha: you came out with michele bachmann and others and basically you are responding to this suggestion by the president last night that social security checks may not in the mail in early august. what are you suggesting we do about that? >> i think the president is playing political games with this and trying to scare seniors. the bill we introduced this morning and asking my colleagues to sign on to that guarantees the troops get paid first. they will never be a political pawn and troop pay would not be held up to vote for a debt ceiling. and tom mcclintock.

15.2 percent of our currents revenue stream. we dock this. we don't need to have the troops be victimized and we should not let our full faith and credit go. if they lose this leverage at the whites house there will be a whole different kind of negotiations going on. martha: let many talk about what's going on within the republican party. you came up with criticism of john boehner. you said looking at what happened in the c.r. that you do not have your confidence in him is not bolstered. that's a strong criticism of the leader of the house. >> i ments it to be gentle. i hope it's taken that way. we saw the c.r. promise, the pledge to america start out with $100 billion in cuts. it became $68 billion within then 38.5 billion. then some number nobody wants to talk about. and i don't even want to say

the. watching that sequence go down. even the people running the victory laps the first day or two after that aren't talking about it anymore. we need to be more to a balanced budget and the leverage to get us there is something i want to put in place. i want the speaker to have the stubborn conservative constitutional core in the house of represent yiferls that wants to get this job done so the future of america won't be the rerun of these negotiations every six months or year and a half. >> the language you are speaking ised the language of the people who put so many republican leaders in hoferls. you talk about bold actions. you talk about not backing down. so now is the question for you and your colleagues in all of this. what are going to do? if there is a deal that's struck that is not to your liking? are you going go with senator mcconnell's suggestion of how something could be put together that could prevent us from breaching the debt crisis or are

you going to stand there with your arms told i arm -- arms foe are not going to do it. we want to send a balanced budget amendment to the states. we want to cut our deficit in half. if we stand and say no, there won't be a debt ceiling increase. one good thing about this, even though some say one half of one-third of the government and the implication is we don't have much power. the majority of the house has to approve 100% of the spending. that's a tremendous amount of leverage and we should use it. martha: what are your numbers. how cohesive is this group? if what you are saying is the case, we are going to breach this debt ceiling 8 days. >> i don't know the numbers of that. it's difficult unless you are the whip team. all you can do is look people in the eye, talk to them and get a

sense of where they are. there is a growing consensus that we have one historical opportunities to save this country from what could become a huge bit of grief. if we give the president a new plastic credit card to pay the minimum balance on the previous one we missed an opportunity. the c.r. was a missed opportunity. i don't want the debt ceiling to be a missed opportunity. if you get obama-care repeal on that i'll vote for it in a heartbeats. >> congressman steve king, very interesting. and a lot of opposition in the house. by republicans to deal here. we'll see where all this goes. what is the federal debt ceiling perhaps you are looking at this and going, what is it? how is it all going to work pmp it's the legal limit on the amount of money the government can borrow it's as far as you are allowed to go. it was created in 1917 in world war i.

and the debt ceiling has been consistently and repeatedly raised 10 times in the last decade alone. it is now roughly 14.3 trillion dollars and nobody knows the potential economic impact if that debt ceiling is not raised because the government never in its history hit that debt limit before. that's a lot to think about. so two important things in all of this to remember. the $2.4 trillion increase that's now being discussed. you go from 14.3 up to that level. it would only keep us going for the next 16 months. the second thing, this is taxpayer money we are talking about in terms of raising this debt ceiling. james rosen is bringing out the taxpayer calculator to find out how much of your money we are talking about if we commit you to throwing in more. >> the late senator edward dirksen of illinois is quote as

saying a billion here, a billion there. pretty soon you are talking about real money. as our graphics wizards were first to realize, it's all your money. if law makers in the white house aagree to give uncle sam more borrowing power. the debt ceiling would raise to this level, $16.7 trillion. let your eyes linger on those zeros for a moment. this figure would only get us through the 2012 elections. now let's see what you might be contributing. you can go to foxnews.com and check out our taxpayer calculator and plug in your own numbers. let's say you make $100,000 to $200,000. if you earn within that bracket on average, your share of the 16.7 trillion will be $73,000 and change. now, you might be perplexed.

you might be saying $73,000, well, that's why this taxpayer debt -- this national debt is never actually going to be paid off, not with all that we owe to the defense department, not that everything we pay for in terms of the paper clips and post-it notes at the department of education. it's a lot of money. yesterday i was asking tourists and commuters at union station about the real life consequences of all this. how do you think it will impact you per se? >> i think i should probably buy everything i need to buy right now before august 2 or else my currency might be valueless. >> i know the negotiation is going on. but i'm not sure exactly what. >> i still have student loans. they are going to increase interest rates across the board. >> i know it's a huge deal and it should be something people are focusing on. but it's not something i'm going to sit down that home every

night and worry about as i go to sleep. it's not going to impact us. >> but it will. did you know the earliest models of the taxpayer forces were pulled by forces. martha: you have got to smile about this in some way, shape or form. you have seen the way the tax calculator works. you can punch in the numbers just for fun. how much of the increase would i have to pay for? and mean while the is a big day in court for whitey's girlfriend. this is a picture of bulger and catherine gregg when she were arrested. now she wants out on bail. who can blame her. it's not happening yet. holly line joins us from the

u.s. district court in boston. >> reporter: this case essentially shows that catherine greig will go back to jail for me. they are under a voluntary order. she'll head back to jail where the judge weighs the facts and the evidence. the defense claims she is not a flight risk and she is not a violent hardened criminal. she was just a girlfriend running away with a guy she loved. she had nothing to do with this criminal enterprise. and bulger was the mastermind. prosecutors say she is a serious flight risk and has the knowledge and information needed on how to run away if she wanted to. they claim there could be more hidden areas where cash is stored and some sort ever contingency plan. she and her house have put their house up as collateral should she be granted bail.

the prosecutors want to know how much equity is in the homes. family members of the victims were able to speak out in court today fairly rare at this point in a proceeding, generally victim's family members speak during a sentencing phase. they said in their view, that she isn't and was harboring a criminal for 16 years on the run. martha: new questions are being raised after the president warns social security payments may not go out next month unless congress raised the debt kreeling. who is to blame if americans don't get their checks. congress or the white house? the trillion dollar answer just ahead. if your child becomes truly obese. should the government be able to take the child away from your home? a controversial proposal. you don't want to miss this debate coming up after the break. a fire in the sky. horrifying video of a plane up

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martha: there is a big story developing with the childhood obesity crisis. 12.5 million kids are classified as obesity. one doctor is suggesting if children get too large the state should step in and take them away from their parents for haish hair health. is that good health policy for police state tactics? i want to point out, the doctor is talking about one case in which there was a 90-pound girl who was 3 years old. at age 12 she weighed 400 pounds. she was taken away from her family. and put on a regular diet and

put in a hospital basically and just on a regular diet she lost 130 pounds. her parents were physically disabled. it was a difficult situation. let's go to you first. where do you come down on this? >> i said it for years. child abuse is definitely what this is. child obesity is easily preventable and it does cause damage, disfigurement. it's a form of neglect for the child's health and welfare. martha: it raises a lot of questions. if your neighbor sees your child and thinks they are too fat when they are walking down the street can they call child protective services and say you need to come check this situation out? >> i find this extremely disturbing that we seek out detachment, that we seek out government in order to try and take a child out rather than treating the unit. the goal should be to team up

with the government with nutrition experts, with family therapists. and with doctors and with nutritionists and treat the unit instead of taking a member of the member out and treating them and putting them back in. that's extremely traumatic to the child. >> so is being fat. what you have backwards is they use the withdrawal of the child from the home as a last resort after they exhausted every other avenue. if you saw a child that looked under fed and you didn't call child services you were not be a good member of so sight. i hope if you saw a child whose body was being abused by constant systematic improper feeding you have an obligation to at least make the call. martha: here is my question. aren't there already things in place that would allow someone to step in? a doctor, a teacher, someone to speak to the family. saying there is a problem here,

we are worried about 'child's health before we go to this extreme. to have your child taken away from you by an agency that has a mixed record. >> my concern here is you are. >> it's only in the last absolute everything is has been exhausted would you remove a child from a home. martha: it's a dangerous precedent. >> i disagree that having government be included in the removal of children -- what's next? to make an assumption that it is sea giews because. to assume we all know that great joke about what we do when we make assumptions. let's not assume it's abuse because the child is obese. martha: karen, hold on. hold on. take a deep breath. let's look at this instance.

parents divorcing. people trying to use this kind of situation against another parent. to get a child taken away. this is the kind of danger people think this opens up to when you have this kind of nanny state imposition that would allow someone to take a child out of a home. we just discovered johnny is overweight. this may be something some throrn say that we can use against your husband in this case. >> the reality is an attorney is going use every bit that they can. just about any form of government intervention is going to be used. the abuses of medicaid and medicare. do you snrect to be abused in child services? there will be people who do bad things. but the reality is we have an obligation to intervene if the child's health and welfare is at risk. this isn't about looking bad in a bathing suit. this is about fertility

problems. diabetes. heart disease. cancer. martha: are there any circumstances under which you think -- i'm not sure child protective services is the right place to do this, that someone should step in for the health of a child? >> i believe there should be an investigation as to whether or not there actually is abuse, not to make an assumption that because this child has obesity that there is abuse going on. removing a child from the home has long-term emotional, physical, interests electric fuel and relational traumatic impact. >> nobody is debating that. we are trying to protect them from the disfigurement of obesity. >> have treatments within the home. martha: let me leave you with

this shot. there was a case of five children removed from a home because they were basically living in a tin shack and they said there was too much poverty. i agree keeping the family together is of the utmost priority. mimi, karen, great to talk to you. >> my pleasure. martha: coming up right here. think about that one for a while. send me a tweet at martha mccallum. we have a disturbing trend to the mysterious disappearance. this is the most awful story of this day and week. this little boy, 9 years old in new york city was found murdered. what police looking for him found and the person they now have in custody.

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martha: news corp, the parent company of fox news channel today withdrawing it's bid to take over british sky broad broadcasting. amy kellogg is on this story. >> reporter: news corp has abandoned its bid to take over sphwrks sky b it many the satellite giant here in the united kingdom. this don't necessarily mean that that bid will never be reces re- will never be resuscitated. but news corp considered that take over b sky b would have been beneficial to both companies but it's impossible to move on in this current climate.

there was a debate in parliament. news corp has 30% of the shares of b sky b. there was supposed to be a vote this evening in parliament that would have requested the bid be dropped. news corp dropped it before that happened. but here was prime minister david cameron at a preliminary debate this morning. >> what has happened to this company is disgraceful. it has to be addressed at every level and they should stop thinking about mergers when they have to sort out the mess they created. >> reporter: it was a very animated session of commons today. there are two inquiryies here going on in the united kingdom looking into allegations of phone hacking. also some of the news corporation journalists paid police for information. but also in the united states now senators barbara boxer and

jay rockefeller have asked the secures and exchange commission and the justice department to investigate whether news corporation violated any u.s. laws. that's the latest from london. martha: a firey plane crash caught on tape. incredible and frightening video right before this passenger plane went down. a live report on that is next. president obama warning yesterday that if congress does not raise the debt ceiling american senior citizens will not get their social security checks next month. but month makes that decision? wait until you find out what we found out. >> when the president said i cannot guarantee those checks go out august 3 if we haven't resolved this issue because they may not be the money in the coughers to d --money in the co. remember he he said check our

ultimatums at the door. that sounds like a veiled threat if not an ultimatum.

martha: a dangerous heat wave is sweeping across this nation. there are scorching temperatures being blamed for 39 deaths. janice dean is watching this from the fox weather center. >> reporter: heat is the

number one weather-related killer every year on average. unfortunately we are seeing dozens of deaths as of this latest heat wave. heat advisories remain. the temperatures combined with the humidity make it unbearable. of course the heat combines with the drought is making this an extremely exceptional year in terms of drought conditions. look at much of texas. 71% under exceptional drought. we haven't seen this type of drought since the 50s and going back to the 30s. when we had of course the historic dust bowl. this is history in the making. we are look at more heat wave as we head into the weekend for the central u.s. martha: janice, thank you very

much. in the meantime let's go back to where there are serious new questions being raids by president obama d being raise raised -- being raised that if the debt ceiling is not raise the seniors may not get their social security checks august 3. this is the president's interview with cbs where he talked about this. >> be can you tell the folks at home no matter what happens social security checks will go south august 3. >> this is not just a matter of social security checks. these are veterans checks, folks on disability and their checks. thethere are about 70 million checks that go out. >> reporter: can you guarantee as president that those checks will go out on august 3. >> i cannot guarantee those checks go out on august 3 if we

haven't resolved this issue. there may not be the money in the coffers to do it. martha: jim martin and gentlemah greene. the president said there is a chance seniors might not get their social security checks a couple weeks from now. >> this is like a bad movie where we knew what the evening would be. but now it seems like there is some twist that will be surprising. this is a serious matter. he has been saying this. you can't hold our economy hostage in the way the republicans are trying to do. there is no rationale behind holding our economy hostage in the way the president is trying to do. >> there will still be revenue

coming in and the president can decide how that revenue will be used. march the priorities with the military families. or the social security checks. that's why we have to get adults to the table. here is what the chief actuary has just said. the chief actuary for social security confirmed that the decision to with showed social security checks would be made by the treasury, mr. martin. so what say you? >> i say this is fear mongering at its most reprehensible by the president. you just confirmed what i heard 40 minutes ago from the congressman's office. that the decision will be made

by the stressy department, i.e., the white house. senior citizens deserve better than this. this is a page out of bill clinton's book. seniors get scared in the voting booth every election cycle. teenors are tired of it. they won't stand for it. $200 billion will come in the first day or two. and i think mr. gop f said maybe $23 billion, maybe 10% of those monies for social security. i have got to tell you, i can go without my check for a while. i talked to a lady hilda just a little while ago. she said i paid into the system all my life. what are you talking about the covers? the covers are empty cough the p

the coffers are emi. >> there is a deal available. he could easy get a deal with the republicans. republicans want it on their terms. we know what the ending is suppose to be here. i believe we are going to get there. just put a band-aid on the situation. in order to get to the real brass tacks of this i feel americans understand this in stark terms. we need real tax reform. none of that has been detailed by the white house in terms of what they are willing to cuts. the republicans are saying the trialan they came up with is smoke and mirrors. >> the president has been clear he's willing to make sufficient choices. he put entitlements on the table. republicans what they are saying

is the shared sacrifice is increasing the debt ceiling. there is no negotiation. learning about politics as a young woman all i knew was it's about compromise, you come to the table. the president says give me tax increases for millionaires and billionaires. put that on the table and we'll have $3 trillion in spending cuts. republicans say no. >> there was an election last year. it was a landslide against president obama, against the runup in the debt and the deficit. people in this country, 70% are of them don't want the debt raised. the public has made up its mind. the president is on the wrong side here. he should get on the right side. martha: he says people don't understand the issue. they don't get it. he said frankly they are more concerned about jobs. but he's saying if you under the

am are you cases you would be on my side. >> the last time this happened under reagan, they were going to take 3 dollars for every new dollar in taxes, ronald reagan is no longer president and they are still looking for those spending cuts. they didn't happen. they never happened. martha: where do we go from here? are you concerned about what we are experiencing, about this deficit, about where the country is headed? >> i'm extremely concerned about the behavior of republicans thinking they can just -- martha: you think the money ought to come from the hedge fund managers. if they gave 100% of sthair their salaries it wouldn't be enough. >> if you start at the negotiating table say nothing option at all. martha: say we are in bad shape. we have got to figure something out. you say we are not going to go to restaurant, we are going to use last year's backpack at

school. waste is. >> you also say maybe i get a part time job. martha: but you don't say let's go back to the bank and ask for more money. you have to go back to the bang and say give me more money. >> it has to be about increasing the revenue. >> there is a way to increase revenue without increasing tax rates. that what the republicans have offered. tax reform. the president doesn't want to do it. i think you underestimate the power of the presidency. he's not just another person at the table. he's the one singular person who can make this happen. there is no deal is on the president's shoulders. martha: a great conversation. my thanks to all of you. we have several more days of this going on. jehmu * thank you. have you heard what happened

with the u.s. women's soccer team in they advanced to the world cup finals for the first time in 12 years. the red, white and blue outscoring france 3-1. so now they are going to play the winner of whoever wins from japan and sweden. that game is later this afternoon. the final makes place sunday in germany. if they win it all they will become the first team to win the women's world cup three times. go, girls. awesome. just after he head we'll talk about this as well. a fierce brawl breaks out as a courthouse. how this crazy situation got so out of hand. look at that. also monthsive search that went on for this missing little boy in new york city has come to a heartbreaking end. brand-new details are now emerging in this boy's story. >> remains believed to be those of the missing boy were found by

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little bit of independence. he's almost 10 years old. you say today i'm going to let you walk two blocks and i'll meet you there. >> it's the worst of the worst. this poor kid was probably getting ribbed by your friend, your mom and dad have to pick you up from camp. he walks to the halfway point and what does he meet? he collides with, he intersects with an absolute monitor. not just a pedophile, not just a homicidal maniac. a butcher. martha: what we are hearing about this. when you hear body in refrigerator. my mind goes to jeffrey dahmer. i think serial killer. then you have the other part of this equation which is possibly a pedophile. the abuse happens and the child is left for dead. this is a weird connection between these two types of

criminals. >> you have the pedophile, they are do their thing, they leave the body. then you have the homicidal maniac. here you almost have a confluence of those two horrific components and they come together in this hybrid and bump into this poor 8-year-old. martha: what about the random nature of this. the boy is walking down the street. is this a situation where you would assume someone had been watching him or is it just the first boy who walks down the street? >> i think it was just an absolute terrible timing. he's got his backpack. he's a slight child. he's by himself. by all accounts he was discomboberated in terms of coming home. everything went wrong. and. waiting in the wings is this monster. martha: what do you say to this poor family. you have been threw these situations too many times.

i don't know what you do, what you say. as a detective -- >> as a detective, as a robbery south bronx detective, this case stand alone. it resonates in the same verified horrible air space as the saluter in chester, connecticut which was 4 years ago to the day almost. these are just horribly brutal terrible crimes. that little kid -- terrible. martha: every parent's nightmare when they allow their child a little independence. pat, thank you very much. good to see you again. we are going to take a quick break and we'll be right back. sweetie i think you need a little extra fiber in your diet. carol. fiber makes me sad. oh common. and how can you talk to me about fiber

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martha: usually people end up in court after a brawl. not this time. this was the scene inside sata coma courthouse -- inside a tacoma courthouse. other people got mixed up in this scuffle including the suspect's father. police had to use tasers to break this up and everyone involved was arrested. the most popular sailing event in the world is coming to san francisco. the america's cup is expected to pump more than a billion dollars into the local economy and big business will be waiting onshore. claudia has more from san francisco. >> reporter: it's going to cost $300 million to host this event. but san francisco is bracing for an economic windfall.

as the world's best racers repair for the america's cup in 2013, organizers are hoping the event will bring sailing to the people and leave sailing in its wake. >> i think we'll probably see somewhere between a 10% to 20% increase in business over that two-week period. >> reporter: merchants are planning to hire, creating 8,000 new jobs by race time. but for some businesses it's break ahead. 77 waterfront tenants are being evicted to make room for the america's cup village. among those pulling up stakes, one of the top tourist attractions and one of the biggest tenants. this long-running dinner show could close for good. the manager of this popular

soccer facility also hopes with the city's hope he can reopen somewhere else. >> i think san francisco soccer and all the businesses are looking over by the city and the port. two summers from now, 500,000 people are expected to flood into the city. millions more around the world will be watching on tv and those are potential bay area visitors. hence the big push to put san francisco's best face forward. martha: thank you very much. there are major developments back on the other coast in washington, d.c. developments on the debt showdown. we are live with the latest we have coming out of the white house as the president and lawmakers get ready for the next round of talks. will they today? is today the day they hammer out some sort of agreement? we'll be right back. captioning made possible by fox news network

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martha: a plane on fire in the skies over siberia caught on tape. you can see the flames coming from the engine and 36 people were on plane when it was forced to make an emergency landing. trace is live with this story. >>trace: not exactly a miracle on the hudson but given the conditions and the situation the experts state pilot did a wonderful job of saving a last likes. the plane is a 12 engine and an engine is on fire and they have mechanical problems and he has to make an emergency landing on the water of the 36 people on board, seven of them died, two are critical, but most just like on the hudson, were able to get out of the plane while it was floating on top of the water. again, this is raising big concerns about russia'sñz3o agig transportation system. last week a russian jet crashed killing 44, and this week, a russian cruise ship sank and

killed 88. the president will not fly on the planes and wants them grounded and inspected. this plane has an abysmal safety record. since the 1960's 134 of the planes have crashed. come paired to united, 21 crashes and tens of thousands more flights and american airlines, 16 crashes, and tens of thousands of more flights so they want the planes taken out of service. martha: what a story, trace. thank you very much. that is it for a busy america live today. "studio b" is started right now. >> thank you, here for shepard smith, the the news begins anew, on "studio b" today. box one, casey anthony is ready to walk free from jail in four